De horning an adult goat

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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by brooksidepoultry » 13 Dec 2012, 02:55

Ok thats fair enough comment but me & the vet are pretty clear on the differences on de-horning & dis-budding considering I've had approx 20 years experience in farming & 3-4 years in a vets &he's been fully qualified & doing both large & small animal work for over 40 years - it's just he was like don't even attempt it in goats but cattle are different & I only have exsperience in cattle & polled breeds of goats x
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by chuck1 » 13 Dec 2012, 11:21

? polled breeds of goats ?

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Post by nigel » 13 Dec 2012, 20:50

chuck1 wrote:? polled breeds of goats ?
If I am remembering my smallholder classes, there are naturally polled goats but as this trait is linked genetically to hermaphrodism they are not common and need very careful breeding.
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by brooksidepoultry » 14 Dec 2012, 00:14

A country lass who loves it all x.

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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by chuck1 » 14 Dec 2012, 01:14

Yes there are naturally polled goats - the point I was making was that the polled factor is not linked to breeds in goats and can occur in any one. It has been getting less common for years and the vast majority of the national herd are horned.

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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by Henwife » 14 Dec 2012, 07:58

I hadn't realised that they were referred to as bucks and does in the US. Maybe that's why they refer to children as kids.
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by chuck1 » 14 Dec 2012, 10:38

Much more sensible than the childish 'billy' and 'nanny' that we use here.

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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by Henwife » 14 Dec 2012, 17:25

Nanny makes sense in that they are often kept with highly strung horses to keep them calm, but Billy? All that witters through my mind is Billy the Kid, or Billy Goat Gruff. Now I shall have to find out why they're called that in the UK. To me a buck or doe is a rabbit!
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by drfish » 14 Dec 2012, 18:47

Or deer
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Post by Henwife » 14 Dec 2012, 22:29

Stag or hind I thought, or is that to do with age?
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by drfish » 15 Dec 2012, 11:01

For most types of deer in modern English usage, the male is called a "buck" and the female is termed a "doe", but the terms vary with dialect, and especially according to the size of the species. For many larger deer the male is termed a "stag", while for other larger deer the same words are used as for cattle: "bull" and "cow". The male Red Deer is a "hart", especially if more than five years old, and the female is a "hind", especially if three or more years old; both terms can also be used for any species of deer, and were widely so used in the past.[3] Terms for young deer vary similarly, with that of most smaller species being called a "fawn" and that of most larger species "calf"; young of the smallest kinds may be a kid. A castrated male deer is a "havier".[4] A group of deer of any kind is a "herd". The adjective of relation pertaining to deer is cervine; like the family name "Cervidae", this is from Latin: cervus, "deer
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by Henwife » 15 Dec 2012, 11:53

Thank you - now to see how much of that I am going to be able to remember.
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by Lindsay » 15 Dec 2012, 17:24

The terms I have always used are - stag,hind and fawn for reds, buck,doe and fawn for roe and fallow, and bull, cow and calf for the larger breeds eg elk.

As for 'billy', there is also 'jill' for a female ferret, and 'jenny' for a female mule, and not forgetting 'Jenny Wren'. Also 'Tom' for a male cat.

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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by yorkshire duck » 21 Dec 2012, 14:13

UPDATE - we've found some one who has recently lost one of their 2 goats & is desperate to find company for their remaining one, both our goats will be going to live with hers at the weekend, no op necessary as shes quite happy to take her horn & all, we've ear tagged & wormed them both & they'll have legit movement papers so hopefully this will be HAPPY ENDING to the story !!
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Re: De horning an adult goat

Post by Henwife » 21 Dec 2012, 18:25

Enormous relief for everybody I imagine.
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