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fallen angel
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Hi guys im still looking into keeping ducks and chickens but my sister brought up something i had not even thought of do i need a permit for them? I live in east sussex and will ring the council tomo but just wondered if anyone here knew the answer first.
Kind regards Nicky |
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garymac
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Location: Gateshead
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I would say that rather that a council objection you may be better off looking the the deeds to your house to see if there are any restrictive clauses or covenants. A friend of mine if dead jealous that I can keep hens. He lives in a property that he owns and is not local authority. He has ample space and yet he can not keep hens not because of the council but because of the deeds.
Don't alert the council to you intention check the deeds. For me if the deeds said no problem I would go for it!! |
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fallen angel
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Location: East Sussex
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I will have to make a call to the housing association then in that case sadly i dont own my own home  i cant see it being a problem though (i hope or my dreams are dashed)
I was just wondering if they are classed as livestock and need a permit?
Kind regrds and many thanks Nicky |
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jaydee67
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| Tell them they will be pets (not that you are keeping them for eggs) it can make a difference. |
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sirfrancis
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Location: northumberland
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| there cant be much difference between keeping a pet rabbit in the garden or a parrot in a cage to a couple of hens! but i think housing associations set a limit on the NUMBER of pets you have,nomad used to state one dog or one cat, are there any allotments near to you or anyone you could share with |
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fallen angel
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Location: East Sussex
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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There are allotments near me but sadly a big waiting list probably a good job or id never be home lol 
I cant see it being a problem but having said that i have not mentioned the 3 french lops and 6 soon to be 9 tortoises i have in the garden/house 
Im hoping my chickens can have free range of the garden thats left and share it with my kids with a safe house to sleep in.
Kind regards Nicky |
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Itsybitsy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| garymac wrote: | I would say that rather that a council objection you may be better off looking the the deeds to your house to see if there are any restrictive clauses or covenants. A friend of mine if dead jealous that I can keep hens. He lives in a property that he owns and is not local authority. He has ample space and yet he can not keep hens not because of the council but because of the deeds.
Don't alert the council to you intention check the deeds. For me if the deeds said no problem I would go for it!! |
Garymac, if your friend's house has a restrictive covenant on it to prevent the keeping of livestock or chickens then it is up to the covenant holder to prevent it's clauses being broken. If it's an oldish house then it may be that the builder put it on or maybe the owner of the land before it was built on, either way the owner of the covenant could well be dead and nobody cares anymore, if I were your mate I'd keep chickens and to hell with it. The owner of the covenant would have to bring the case privately to court to enforce it, and if he's got the space and isn't doing any harm to anyone else then I doubt it would be upheld these days.
My house has one to prevent it being used as a place of business - I'm self employed, and the company that hold the covenant were taken over by British Steel then Corus, then whoever it is now + I own the house which would have originally been rented.
In a local village the builder who built the estate in the '80's put a covenant on to prevent caravans being kept at the front of the houses, about a third have them now!
Tell your mate to get his chickens.
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Fenn
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DON'T TELL THE HOUSING ASSOCIATION YET!!!!! Look through your lease and unless it expressly forbids the keeping of poultry, then just get on with it 
I live in a HA property and did exactly that - just got the birds and presented them with a fait accompli, sort of thing. I've discovered since that they would almost certainly have turned down my request, but doing it the way I have, they've not even murmured. They certainly know the birds are here - the Housing Inspector's had to step over them on more than one occasion
The neighbour's were the same - they really like having the birds around now, but I'm pretty sure they'd have said no 'just in case', had I asked beforehand.
Make sure the lease is ok, then get on with it |
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seanandgail
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| Our council tenancy says that you can have any kind of pet as long as it doesn't cause a nuisance to your neighbours. So, we went ahead and got our chickens (4hens and 1cockerel) and my housing officer has been round and didn't say anthing because none of my neighbours have complained! So, I would say check your tenancy and if it says the same thing go for it! Some council/housing don't like you having cockerels though....for some silly reason they think they are louder/more of a nuisance than the girls...all I can say is that they haven't heard the girls when they are laying!!! LOL |
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mcleod-girls
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| seanandgail wrote: | | Some council/housing don't like you having cockerels though....for some silly reason they think they are louder/more of a nuisance than the girls...all I can say is that they haven't heard the girls when they are laying!!! LOL |
I Know! what a racket!!! |
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seanandgail
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| Yes it is but I must admit our hens have us in stitches.....they can't make up their mind which type of bird they are LOL 1 minute they sound like a duck then a seagul and then chicken! |
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garymac
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Garymac, if your friend's house has a restrictive covenant on it to prevent the keeping of livestock or chickens then it is up to the covenant holder to prevent it's clauses being broken. If it's an oldish house then it may be that the builder put it on or maybe the owner of the land before it was built on, either way the owner of the covenant could well be dead and nobody cares anymore, if I were your mate I'd keep chickens and to hell with it. The owner of the covenant would have to bring the case privately to court to enforce it, and if he's got the space and isn't doing any harm to anyone else then I doubt it would be upheld these days.
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This got me thinking about our house, we bought the freehold as because it is a new estate the title was only for 99 years. Although no poultry or livestock were included even if there were and I bought the freehold surely this would not erase the restriction. Or would it mean that I have no one to answer to unless I breach local authority regs such as being in a conservation area? |
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