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traditionalbritishfowlco



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 243
Location: lancashire

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didnt say they want organic. If anything, it's what i have decided and dictated as the way they should live. Might not be right and I accept that but I think it is. I asked whether is was OK to use the word 'organically...' in the place of organic.

I think I'll say 'eggs laid by hens reared as near organically as dammit' ha ha
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fenwoman



Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 933
Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traditionalbritishfowlco wrote:
well I take organic as meaning much more than just chemical free. a battery hen minus chemicals isn't organic - organic is as natural a life as possible. to me anyway. plus, everyone says 'happy hens' its a cliche and i can't guarantee my hens are 'happy', they seem it, but i wouldnt want to speak on their behalf.

The thing is that it isn't about what you regard the word 'organic to mean it is about what the term means and it means chemical free so battery hens could indeed be organic just as battery eggs can be called 'farm eggs'.
I think you need to think about whether your hens are indeed organic and then think why you want to say they are if they aren't. You gcould always take the time to go organic if you really want to sell organic eggs. Personally I have found people to be happy to buy fresh eggs from chickens they see wandering about. As to whether I knwo they are happy or not, who can tell, but the general perception is that free ranging hens are happy.
Why not simply put 'fresh eggs' on your egg boxes and have done with it instead of trying to make claims which may not be true? Question Wink
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mojo



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 10191
Location: GLENAY north deux sevre FRANCE

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well said fenny as usual you cut the c...p and get to the point...........p.s.lost your keys agin yet.........luv mojo
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fenwoman



Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 933
Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mojo wrote:
well said fenny as usual you cut the c...p and get to the point...........p.s.lost your keys agin yet.........luv mojo

not lost my keys. Just me marbles and the plot Wink
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traditionalbritishfowlco



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 243
Location: lancashire

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my hens are probably more organic than organic means then. certainly chemical free. fresh eggs could be battery. If i desperately wanted to call the eggs organic i'd get certified but at my scale it's hardly worth it especially as the accepted meaning of organic seems to mean far less than i take it to. I'm just gonna need really wordy labels!
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madslg



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 298
Location: Farnham

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only sell my eggs in a limited way but find that not describing them at all works for me! If any one has questions i will answer them and if they want to see the girls then great i point them to the gallery on here!

Not sure how relevant it is but it saves me a lot of grief and semantics. Rolling Eyes
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Lisa



Joined: 14 Apr 2005
Posts: 3236
Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Organic is a term defined by EU law. Battery hens cannot be termed organic. Although those termed organic can, under law, have a certain (small) percentage of their food from non-organic sources.

link here

Maybe its worth considering contacting either your local trading standards or DEFRA for advice about your intended wording? At least then you will know for certain that what you're thinking of writing on your boxes or in your literature is not breaking the law. Pedantic though it may seem, it sounds better to me than the consequences of not following the rules, even if only by accident or omission...
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traditionalbritishfowlco



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 243
Location: lancashire

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks lisa, i didnt think organic simply referred to absence of chemicals!

I will word carefully! maybe just a picture even!?
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