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Which would you choose?
A house cow (maybe a Jersey)
63%
 63%  [ 12 ]
Two dairy Goats
36%
 36%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 19

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stephen
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe not water buffalo though
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debcat
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YUCK
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CP
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephen wrote:
Maybe not water buffalo though


Quite tasty meat though! Wink Had some years ago in Africa when on holiday. Can't remember what the milk tasted like, or maybe we never had any. Confused
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poultry poofs



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farm near us has some Bison and they are nice,would love to taste the meat.
rich
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Heather
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poultry poofs wrote:
George Behave Laughing Laughing Laughing

Stephen go for the Jersey, my mate had both goats and Jersey cows the Jersey milk was by far the best. Terribly un-healthy and full of fat and cholesterol but what the hell you have to die of something.
You could have both there is a growing demand for goats milk so you could always sell it if you didn't like the stuff yourself.

rich


George never behaves ! (but we wouldn't have it any other way Wink )

I have read somewhere (think it was the newsletter from the bio dynamic farm where we go ) that unpasteurised milk actually either lowers cholesterol or isn't high in it - also there is an enzyme that better helps you digest the lactose (this enzyme is destroyed by heat treating) - I'm sure why lactose intolerance is on the increase - that and the homogenisation - I certainly feel a whole heap better when we are drinking that rather than even the organic milk from the supermarket .
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Spana



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for the Jersey, but goats would be a close second if I couldn't have first choice. Think of all that lovely butter and cream and all the things that can be made from the two Very Happy
I think if you are worried about too much cholesterol you could always do more manual work like our grandparents did. Wink
About feeding spare milk to other stock, I have some old smallholder books, printed about the turn of the century and some of the practices in them would make your hair curl. In one picture a poor tethered cow with a very sad look on her face is being suckled by two lambs. For some reason I find it a bit yukky Sad In a bottle it would be ok, but straight from the cow, Yuk
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poultry poofs



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The green top un-pasteurised milk is best but there are moves to try and stamp it out because it MIGHT make us ill.Its OK to poison our water with Chlorine and Fluoride though so I guess our betters must know best!

I drink Jersey milk everyday providing I can get it,it improves cooking flavours no end too.
As for colesterol,I'm fed up of being told whats good and bad for you.
If you are at risk then fair enough cut it down but why worry about a natural occurring ingredient in your food when there are hundreds of potentially poisonous additives that we are exposed to in our food that we are not told whether they will harm us or not and which are routinely added to it.

rich
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Heather
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said, Rich !

they keep trying to stamp out the green top milk, if they ever do make it illegal to sell I can see us going the way of the States with people buying shares in a cow and then getting the milk for free Wink - one way to get around it I suppose. But it'll be fought all the way first !!!

If you do a google for benefits of Raw milk therte are so many interesting things that come up about it !

Most cases of food poisoning etc have come from Pasteurised milk - that hasn't been treated properly !
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George



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use green top whenever I go to my Dad's, (although we do get fake milk for Pat)

My Dad's drank it all his life and it didn't prevent him from having a heart attack Sad
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milkmaid



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what local breeds of cow are there
suz
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CP
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
although we do get fake milk for Pat


Not that soya c**p? Shocked puke_r
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George



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah,
lol
Just call pasturised cows milk fake as it tastes nothing like the real stuff ! Smile
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CP
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my friends had their dairy heard, she was advised by her doctor to buy semi-skimmed milk to feed her baby as she was getting too fat on her home produced cows milk! Rolling Eyes

It tasted wonderful - not had any like it since. Sad
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poultry poofs



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most milk is white water now its had all the cream and fat removed boiled and the correct amount of pulverised(so it doesnt sit on the top) cream fat for the type of milk readded ,In semi-skimmed its around 3%.Most of the milk is also blended with milk from Eastern European farms.In reality it bears no relation to the stuff that comes from the cow.
Jersey Milk is still available but health authorities are trying to squeeze it out as its dangerous!The Only full cream milk available in this country according to the CO-OP head office is the Jersey Milk,I checked when they refused to stock it as "they only had a limited number of interested customers and it wasnt worth their while".So I told them it wasnt worth my while buying my milk from them and changed to a local milkman who does take the trouble to get it.
Tesco used to stock it then withdrew it near here and I complained to their head office I see its now back on the shelf but I doubt its anything I said.
I am sure if people were given the choice they would buy green top too.
The whole reason milk was pasteurised in the first place was because farm hygeine was so appalling in the past and introduced all sorts of bacteria.Most dairy farms now you could eat your dinner off the dairy floor.As usual the Nanny state intervenes.My mates farming always say when the Jersey is no longer available it will be time to buy your own cow and share the milk.
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NannyP



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need high fat milk to help you keep warm Very Happy
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