The Poultry Keeper The Independent Forum for Poultry Keepers    FAQ   Search     Register   Log in  salmonella          The Poultry Keeper Forum Index -> Avian Flu & Farm Livestock Diseases Author Message Green Gent Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Leeds Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: salmonella Hi I don't have any hens yet, but I just wondered, if you buy eggs and they have salmonella. What are the hens like? Are they ill? I buy eggs from another chap where I have a allotment, and just wondered how safe they are. GG Back to top Itsybitsy Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 1312 Location: Leicestershire Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Hi Salmonella is a group of bacteria commonly found in the gut and faeces of animals and humans, the animals will appear perfectly healthy, infact the bacteria do not affect them and only when the animal is slaughtered and problems arise does it become apparent that it was affected. Humans can also be "silent" carriers, having been previously affected and apparently recovered they can continue to shed bacteria and through poor hygiene pass it on. Salmonella bacteria can therefore be in the gut of chickens and passed out in the faeces and so on the egg shell, but also in the egg itself. Salmonella can also be present in other meats as well as chicken, raw vegetables and raw milk. Good hygiene is the best way to avoid any infection, wash hands well before and after handling raw foods, keep prepared foods in the refrigerator. Wash hands well after visiting the toilet. Eggs should be cooked until the yolk is set. Make sure other food you are preparing is well cooked. Having said all this . . . . last year in England and Wales there were just over 13,000 cases and a high proportion of those will be contamination by family members and carers of people with the sickness not practicing good hygiene. I don't know how many millions of people live in England and Wales but 13,000 is a small percentage. If you are worried about your neighbours eggs, ask yourself these questions :- Have you ever had salmonella from previously eating his eggs? Has your neighbour or anybody else consuming the eggs ever had it? If you are concerned you have two choices - either don't eat the eggs or make sure they are well cooked. Personally I wouldn't be too worried about it. Itsybitsy Back to top Green Gent Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Leeds Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Hi Thanks, I don't really have any concerns, its just that you don't know what goes on, behind closed doors. GG Back to top Itsybitsy Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 1312 Location: Leicestershire Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Green Gent wrote: Hi Thanks, I don't really have any concerns, its just that you don't know what goes on, behind closed doors. GG That's true, that is why as an ex caterer, I only very rarely eat out and never buy ready meals or processed/junk foods - but then I'm difficult like that Itsybitsy Back to top CW Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Buckingham Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:32 am    Post subject: Itsybitsy wrote: Hi Salmonella is a group of bacteria commonly found in the gut and faeces of animals and humans, the animals will appear perfectly healthy, infact the bacteria do not affect them and only when the animal is slaughtered and problems arise does it become apparent that it was affected. Humans can also be "silent" carriers, having been previously affected and apparently recovered they can continue to shed bacteria and through poor hygiene pass it on. Salmonella bacteria can therefore be in the gut of chickens and passed out in the faeces and so on the egg shell, but also in the egg itself. Salmonella can also be present in other meats as well as chicken, raw vegetables and raw milk. Good hygiene is the best way to avoid any infection, wash hands well before and after handling raw foods, keep prepared foods in the refrigerator. Wash hands well after visiting the toilet. Eggs should be cooked until the yolk is set. Make sure other food you are preparing is well cooked. Itsybitsy Itsybitsy is quite right. Salmonella is generally a bacteria which thrives in anaerobic conditions - anaerobic = little or no oxygen present (either within the gut or faeces). Most, if not all, salmonella is eradicated by ensuring that conditions are aerobic = with oxygen. The same is true for e-coli, clostridium etc New regulations are being introduced for commercial egg producers in the UK... once introduced, if any salmonella is found in a flock, the whole flock will have to be culled! You can improve oxygen levels in the muck by using Plocher Komposter. It has the added benefit of making the muck less smelly, drier and more pleasant to handle. It will also make amazing fertiliser for your garden. CW Back to top CP Moderator Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14063 Location: Hampshire Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Quote: Plocher Komposter Not heard of this before. Is it similar to bokashi? Back to top stephen Site Admin Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 4858 Location: Billinge, Skåne, Sweden. Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: In the interests of fairness, it should be pointed out that CW is linked to the product. Back to top milkmaid Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 6740 Location: isle of lewis Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: sorry my fault cw and i had a very long chat on the phone (kept her for about 2 hours disgussing manure conversation with sheep can be limiting )after i'd read some reports from farmers and seen some pics on slurry treatment and suggested that maybe people on here might be interested,not sure if it works or not but i'm going to try to get some next month as we have a rather a lot of goat manure Back to top CW Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Buckingham Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Chicken Palace wrote: Quote: Plocher Komposter Not heard of this before. Is it similar to bokashi? Stephen is quite right - I am linked to this product. Sorry if it was too much of a plug! Not sure this post will be much better... Plocher Komposter is not like Bokashi. Bokashi is one of the many bugs, bacteria and enzyme products out there, in the marketplace. They can be very good products, but are limited by the range of bugs supplied. As you can appreciate, a specific organism can only thrive in certain conditions and if the conditions are not right, they will become dormant or die. Typically this happens because there is a fundamental lack of oxygen or essential minerals and elements for the bugs within the organic matter. Like us, good bugs need oxygen, water and the full range of nutrients to respire, whereas bad bugs don't want oxygen, they produce water and all manner of nasty gases and acids which attract flies, pests and disease and when you put it on the garden, it will scorch your plants. Plocher Komposter changes the environment of the organic matter/manure so the bugs which are there and dormant, will start to thrive and multiply. We are researching the benefits of the products with a commercial producer, and have had some amazing results so far... e-coli and other bacteria down by 99.9%, fly and smell problems have been virtually eliminated, dryness has improved from 24.2% to 47.8%. The product has been around for 20 or so years, but only been in the UK for the last 2... Sorry if I made you uncomfortable milkmaid - I will go more carefully in future... promise! CW Back to top jaydee67 Moderator Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 4725 Location: Shetland Islands Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: 2 hours discussing manure - interesting lives you lead! After that you should come up smelling of roses! Back to top CP Moderator Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14063 Location: Hampshire Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: stephen wrote: In the interests of fairness, it should be pointed out that CW is linked to the product. I did guess that. I also had a look at some of the links from the other forum CW is on, but a lot of it is a bit too technical for me! (can't find a smilie that says 'goes over my head'!) Would it be available for a small garden set-up or is it just farmers? We have 3 compost bins in various stages of decomposting & do get a fair amount of chicken poo mixed with wood shavings which take a while to cook & can go a bit wet & cloggy if not mixed well. Just wondered if this stuff is easily available in small quantities, really? Back to top CW Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Buckingham Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Chicken Palace wrote: stephen wrote: In the interests of fairness, it should be pointed out that CW is linked to the product. I did guess that. I also had a look at some of the links from the other forum CW is on, but a lot of it is a bit too technical for me! (can't find a smilie that says 'goes over my head'!) Would it be available for a small garden set-up or is it just farmers? We have 3 compost bins in various stages of decomposting & do get a fair amount of chicken poo mixed with wood shavings which take a while to cook & can go a bit wet & cloggy if not mixed well. Just wondered if this stuff is easily available in small quantities, really? I could do with a smilie for "phew"! Yes it is available for a small garden set-up. You can buy 200g for £19.50. This is enough to do 5cu m of compost - and will deal with any type of material. Alternatively use it direct in the coop at a rate of 2g/sq m. You can use it in the house too - I have a normal bucket in the kitchen for all my peelings, tea bags, dog hair, scrap paper etc. 200g comes in a shaker, and I do one shake when the bucket is empty. When it is full or after a week, I empty it into the compost - no smells, flies or fruit flies are a problem, even in summer. With this stuff, composting should be finished in 3-4 months, and it shouldn't get wet and cloggy. You can order it off the website (www.swiftnature.co.uk), which means you pay via PayPal, making it secure, or send us a cheque with your details (there is an order form on the website too if you prefer to use it), and we will send any products ordered by return. Best wishes CW Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Poultry Keeper Forum Index -> Avian Flu & Farm Livestock Diseases All times are GMT + 1 Hour Page 1 of 1 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group