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fenwoman



Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 933
Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

couttleberry wrote:
We're in Dufftown Choco. As it stands we are not anywhere near the zone described, however I reckon if the zone were to be extended by a similar size again, then it would reach us. However, from what the Chief Vet said on the news conference, the area has been defined according to the distribution of mute swans. I'm not sure how we fit in to that pattern, thoguh clearly there are resident swans in places such as Cooper Park.

We are away to Edinburgh on Saturday for a week. I'm hoping any extension to the 'keep indoors' zone doesn't come about while we are away.

Call me an old sceptic but I would not take at face value what the vet has said. Think about this. Even if the area you are in, is not one which whooper swans live in. If the one whooper swan had it, others will also have it. And other wild birds will have caught it.
How likely is it, that out of all the birds in the whole of the UK, only one single whooper swan has the virus?
So even though you aren't within the exclusion zone, I would be putting birds indoors now. Government departments are notoriously slow at grasping the facts and acting on them. Personally, I have been prepared for this for months. Tomorrow everything is staying shut inside and I will be working all day on covering the runs with the tarpaulins I went out and bought from B&Q this afternoon.
Not panicking, merely forestalling our dozy government and acting in advance of thier bringing the law in to house flocks. Once a couple of wild birds are found in my area with the virus, it will be too late because they may already have infected my birds.
I am not prepared to take that risk so unhappy or not, they will be indoors. I figure they'll be happier housed but alive, than free range and dead, killed en masse by some uncaring man in a white boiler suit who will not care how he carries them and who they don't know and who will not care that he kills them quickly or not.
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summayah



Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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Location: luton

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so sorry for all of you and will be hoping every single one of your birds will be safe.
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Seaside Landlady



Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Scotland

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the timing couldn't be worse. We are booked to go away with family today for a few days. I'm already considering coming home early but we would be letting all the children down if we pulled out now, for what?

We have an old outhouse which I have cleared out but I don't want to put my hens in there and leave them more or less unsupervised for five days. I have someone coming to feed and water/ collect eggs twice a day and they have an auto pop opener on their coop.

The six of them live happily in a safe enclosure 35 ft by 12 ft, with solid walls to three sides, weldmesh to the fourth, but only netting on the roof, which I know isn't enough. I've tried a tarpaulin but the wind threatens to take the whole thing with it!

I've decided just to leave them as they are for now until I hear any different orders.

Doesn't make me feel good Confused
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Knobby



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 6707
Location: North Warwickshire

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your in an area which doesnt need the chooks to be bought in yet, then...............go away and TRY and enjoy yourself !!!! Neutral
Worry about things when the time comes !
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Seaside Landlady



Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Scotland

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we are in Fife, but outside the immediate zone. The advice is still unclear, poultry farmers throughout Fife are being advised to bring birds in 'where possible'. With only 6, I'm obviously not a farmer, and what does 'where possible' mean anyway?
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milkmaid



Joined: 19 Apr 2005
Posts: 7144
Location: isle of lewis

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fenwoman i agree with you Shocked ,after we went to a talk on the isle we came out feeling so reassured Rolling Eyes ,we have been ready for a couple of months apart from a few tweecks .we have so many migrating birds and thousands of miles of moors ,nobody would find any dead birds ,the west side eastate on it's on has 55.ooo acres ,which very few people walk in the winter Sad
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Alfietinker



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Posts: 82
Location: Southminster, Essex

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to say - good luck everybody up there!!!! Everything crossed for you!!xx
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ramshackle



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi folks,

something 'a little bird' told me: One of the '14 other birds' still being tested was a dead swan which was found ~ 10 miles from where we live. My best guess therefore is that the current 'larger risk area' was defined based on the places where these other birds that are still undergoing testing were found. I guess we'll find out in due course what happened to those birds.

Our hens seem reasonably happy in their new hen hotel so far - we moved them to a new patch of grass at the same time. One slight concern to us is the fact that, no matter how much we try to house our poultry, these parts of Scotland are full of pheasant shooting estates (we live on the edge of one!). As the birds are released after breeding, there is absolutely no way they can house them.....you wouldn't be able to catch the thousands of them in the first place....anyway, fingers' crossed!
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fenwoman



Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 933
Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone watch 'the right stuff' this morning? SOme salient points were made.
Whooper swans can fly 500 miles in one day. The dead swan was left for 8 days before being collected on a friday by the powers that be, who only work 9-5 and the lab' was closed on the weekend. Surely in an emergency like this, a hit squad of collectors could be employed to collect dead birds immediately? Not that there would be much point. It is already here in the wild bird population and the government dithers. In my humble opinion immediate bringing indoors of all flocks and a vaccination programme could help poultry keepers but judging from what has been written, most poultry keepers would complain that their birds looked unhappy being confined Shocked
Personally I'm not waiting until someone tells me that an infected bird has been found in my area, by that time it may be too late to bring my birds indoors as they may well already have been infected. Mine are indoors as from today and the geese will be penned and covered by this afternoon. I have never been one to stand about waiting for orders when I can see a solution for myself.
The safety of my beloved birds is of utmost priority at the moment, not the inconvenience to me, or the fact that they won't enjoy being confined.
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fenwoman



Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 933
Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramshackle wrote:
Hi folks,

something 'a little bird' told me: One of the '14 other birds' still being tested was a dead swan which was found ~ 10 miles from where we live. My best guess therefore is that the current 'larger risk area' was defined based on the places where these other birds that are still undergoing testing were found. I guess we'll find out in due course what happened to those birds.

Our hens seem reasonably happy in their new hen hotel so far - we moved them to a new patch of grass at the same time. One slight concern to us is the fact that, no matter how much we try to house our poultry, these parts of Scotland are full of pheasant shooting estates (we live on the edge of one!). As the birds are released after breeding, there is absolutely no way they can house them.....you wouldn't be able to catch the thousands of them in the first place....anyway, fingers' crossed!

From what I have understood, so long as your birds are under cover, have a covered roof and sides and the food and water are indoors, they should be safe even in case of an outbreak where you are. If you can prove to DEFRA that no contact between wild birds and your birds is possible, yours should not be culled.
Good luck. We are all going to need it.
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ramshackle



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi fenwoman,

I'm not so sure about that you know....incubation time in poultry for H5N1 ranges from 3 -7 days so if they find any evidence of spread to poultry within the next week I am convinced the DEFRA stance on the subject will be a lot less mild than it is now. We'll see I guess...thanks for your concern!
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NannyP



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 11273
Location: 86310 Nr St Savin

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to say, I was tired when I posted last night. What I meant to say was, I wonder how long the virus has been in the country and is this the tip of the iceberg?
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CP
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Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 15387
Location: Hampshire

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do members think 'down South'? Is anyone here now keeping their birds in?
As fenwoman says, should we do it now before DEFRA tell us to, or should we wait & see if it spreads this way before confining them? Confused
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Knobby



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 6707
Location: North Warwickshire

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Birds arent under cover........They will stay that way till Im forced to change......I'd have to get rid of some of the chooks if that is the case, and I'll be leaving it till the last minute !!
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CP
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Location: Hampshire

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine are still out at the moment too.
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