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HelenP



Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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Location: GLOUCESTERSHIRE

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Fixed houses Reply with quote

If I were to convert a garden shed to a chicken house would it be better to have the shed sitting directly on a slabbed area or should it be raised off the ground on blocks? If it's off the ground aren't you likely to have more problems with predators?

Also, is it the size of the house or the run area that governs how many chickens you can have? We're thinking of building a fixed run of about 7ft wide by 16/17ft long (just over 2 metres by 4??). The shed will be 7ft by 5ft. As the run will be 6ft high is there any point putting in things the girls can 'climb' on - was wondering whether to put in tree stumps/trunks etc so the birds could move off the floor if they wanted. Again, your help/comments are appreciated. (Bigger run may mean more chickens are allowed by OH).
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George



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shed should be on a concrete slab or paving slabs, we put weldmesh underneath and then bent it up the sides of the shed and tacked it on.

Both the size of the house and the run governs how many hens you could have. (although, in the house, it's more about perch lengh)

We've got a bench in the run, which they enjoy sitting on and watching the world go by.
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HelenP



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've enjoyed watching mine react to the blackbirds/bluetits etc in the garden - they're really quite nosey creatures.
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George



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL,

Yeah, mine adore chasing pigeons Wink
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summayah



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Location: luton

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my shed put on slabs and have had no problems. In their run I had an old coffee table with bamboo bars across it underneath ~ the little ones loved perching under there ~ thebig ones were too big for the space. I also had a buddleia bush in there which lifted the netting and you wuld always find . someone perching in there during the day. Big tree branches would be an excellent idea for them to perch on. You could also put some in the house to give it more interest for them.
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fenwoman



Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Fixed houses Reply with quote

HelenP wrote:
If I were to convert a garden shed to a chicken house would it be better to have the shed sitting directly on a slabbed area or should it be raised off the ground on blocks? If it's off the ground aren't you likely to have more problems with predators?

Actually no. If you put it up on brick peirs you can see what is happening underneath. Right on to slabs and rats can hide between slabs and wooden shed floor and gnaw away in secret. They don't feel safe if it is 6 inches off the ground and this also gives a perfect place to site a bait box.

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Also, is it the size of the house or the run area that governs how many chickens you can have? We're thinking of building a fixed run of about 7ft wide by 16/17ft long (just over 2 metres by 4??). The shed will be 7ft by 5ft. As the run will be 6ft high is there any point putting in things the girls can 'climb' on - was wondering whether to put in tree stumps/trunks etc so the birds could move off the floor if they wanted. Again, your help/comments are appreciated. (Bigger run may mean more chickens are allowed by OH).

The run and the house dictates how many and of what size birds. No point in having a huge run if the large amount of birds cannot fit comfortably into the house at night. If you use a shed, remove the glass from the window and replace with either chicken wire, or go to B&Q and get yourself a louvre door of the right size.Lots and lots of fresh air when they are shut away is vital. They need to be dry and several birds at night with little ventilation means breathing problems and mould growth. They won't feel the cold even in deepest winter cos they are wearing their own chicken feather duvets after all.
I don't bother with things to climb on in the run. They are woodland floor dwelling creatures after all.
You are going to have to think hard about how you will keep the run floor clean. If the birds are confined most of the day, they will shit, scratch about, eat off it etc and the ground quickly becomes bacteria ridden and your birds will have a permanent worm problem.
A solid slabbed floor with a scattering of straw or shavings which can be swept up and composted every week and the run hosed down is a good idea, or earth floor, with wire on top, then a 3 inch layer of wood chips (not bark) or gravel which can be pressure washed every week would be best.
A solid roof on the run will make it wild bird proof and also jkeep the run dryer and less prone to mud and stink. HTH
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HelenP



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another stupid question then.... presumably if you raise the house you'd need a 'ramp' for the birds to get in and out - do they adapt to using them OK?

As regards the run I hadn't thought about cleaning it out - how dense is that! I'd thought if we put wire on the bottom (as per the sides) to reduce pest problems we could them let them scratch around on the grass until they destroyed it, then we could use bark (not the type that harbours mould) or straw and remove it when soiled and replace with fresh. Wouldn't gravel get 'blown' away with a pressure washer?
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fenwoman



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Location: Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chickens are more than capable of hopping up a few inches to the pop hole. My sheds are raised 3 bricks high. No need to build walls or use mortar, simply lay 2 bricks side by side, lay another 2 crossways and another on top of that. I don't have any ramps at all.
Don't use chipped bark, use woodchips. Cleaning the run is more important than cleaning the house since they spend most time in the run and scratch and peck where they are shitting. In the house all they do is sleep, feed, drink and lay eggs.
Since gravel is heavier than woodchips it is less likely to get blasted away by the pressure washer and the idea is to set the nozzle to spray not jeot since the jet can blast holes through timber. Gravel lasts longer too since it will not decompose away .A layer 3 inches deep of the larger grade means that a quick spray every week washes the shit down to the earth floor where the worms drag it down and the run stays clean and sweet all the time. You will of course need to board along the base of the run to contain the gravel. I costed out woodchip versus gravel last year and phoned several tree surgeons only to find that woodchips were more expensive!
If I only had one run I would definately use gravel.
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mojo



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
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Location: GLENAY north deux sevre FRANCE

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am in the midst of putting 4 inches of gravel 10/20 size about thumb nail size and bigger .....and another advatage is disinfectant can be sprayed on it in the pressure spray as often as needed washing the crap down to the wiggly things
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summayah



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Location: luton

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a mine of information fenwoman. So for example with an 8' x 6' shed ~ how many brick piers would you have and where would you place them? I believe the floor is in 2 pieces, each being 6' x 4'
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