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Aussie Chick
Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 2737 Location: Milton Keynes/ Brisbane
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Lisa, could Tea tree do any harm. My girls are healthy, but I love the smell of it!
BTW, Mojo, did you ever find anymore about gum tree chippings?
Sorry I have gone of topic big time. Deanojul67 I hope you find an improvement over night and that you manage to get some syringing done. |
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summayah
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 4289 Location: luton
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry to hear of your sick chicken, hope he picks up soon. From my experience with Baytril, and we have only had the liquid syringeable one, it takes a while to show improvement, but I would think an injection should possibly show some improvement by late tomorrow or the next day. Let us know how he progresses |
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Lisa
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 3237 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Aussie Chick wrote: | | Lisa, could Tea tree do any harm. My girls are healthy, but I love the smell of it! |
Not that I know of AC. But for the record I'm not a trained aromatherapist - just a keen amateur (I'd love to do a course on it, but you only get human ones and everyone I've found locally requires that you do a year long massage course first ).
I've found it hard to find good information about using complementary treatments on animals, let alone chickens. Of the information I have found Tea tree is certainly one of the oils recommended for use in respiratory problems with dogs and other animals.
I have found this document online:
Remedies for Health Problems of the Organic Laying Flock
It only mentions homeopathic remedies for respiratory problems, but it does recommend Tea Tree direct to the skin for things like Bumblefoot.
So on those 2 grounds I would have no worries using tea tree on or near my chickens.
Plus tea tree is one of the safest oils you can use on people. I would be assuming (I know, assuming....) that the same would then apply to other animals.
There are other oils recommended for respiratory problems, but you can't use them neat, and some are not so readily available.
Just to be clear though, if I had a chicken that I thought had a really bad chest infection I would be off to the vets for antibiotics. The tea tree would be something I'd reach for if there was a delay (eg in the coop, overnight, until the vets was open), or to hopefully help reduce the risk of the others coming down with the same thing.
Phew! Essay on tea tree over
How's Rocky the rooster today?? |
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deanojul67
Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 342
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:39 am Post subject: bad |
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still seems bad today i can hear his breathing from 6 ft away
he is hardly moving tail pointing towards floor have given him antibiotics and strained worm stuff and give n him, wouldn't have if i had read debs post before i did it he has diarrhea but and i would say it was green but he hasn't eaten now for 2 days
dont know wot to do hasn't even made a sound beginning to think maybe he's had it?? |
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thewinkingtiger
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 936 Location: East Yorkshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear about your sick boy. Hope things do improve for him.
Debs |
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CP Moderator
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 16285 Location: Hampshire
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Poor Rocky. It doesn't sound too good, does it? I would try some of the things the others have suggested - tea tree oil, etc & just see how he goes.
Good luck. |
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deanojul67
Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 342
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: |
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trying to get some wormer and keep geeing told i cant get only from vets because i need to be licensed  |
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CP Moderator
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 16285 Location: Hampshire
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:21 am Post subject: |
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This is not true. I bought my wormer over the counter from a Countrystore near me.
Look in the 'Golden Nuggets' section for links to buying it online. It's called Flubenvet. |
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deanojul67
Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 342
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:25 am Post subject: |
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will look now  |
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deanojul67
Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 342
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:49 am Post subject: |
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help just done a google and it seems that i have been given baytril 2.5% by my vet and correct me if I'm wrong but the poultry one should be 10% because of the chickens high metabolism??  |
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Lisa
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 3237 Location: Milton Keynes, Bucks
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Don't panic...I'm guessing that might not necessarily be a problem.
If they "don't do" poultry, they are unlikely to have the stronger one in stock. BUT if I understand it correctly, they could have prescribed you the weaker one, but told you to give 4 times more of it at 2.5% than they would have at 10%
Does that makes sense
Edited to add:
Just been to the chicken medicine box and I've still got a bottle of what I was prescribed earlier this year for Ninja (my RIR hen) when she had breathng problems. The label says:
6 x ml Baytril oral 100ml
give 0.6ml daily by mouth
She weighed about 2.8kg, and the dosage is always worked out on the weight of the animal.
According to the Chicken Box website (click on breed and chicken menu) a Welsummer cockeral also weighs about 3kg on average.
Can only add that when Tilly got an infection when she was already on Baytril (after they opened up her crop to clear a blockage) the vet then doubled the dose she was on. So they can prescribe it at different doses too, depending how serious the problem is and whether or not it is working.
I don't know if any of that is any use to you.
If in doubt, telephone the vet and let them know you are concerned about what you have been given, and how badly Rocky is doing. They really should be the best people to advise you.
Fingers crossed for you and Rocky. |
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Deb_Moderator
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 3661
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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First and foremost, call the vet. They should hear your current concerns. They will be able to add an additional antibiotic if they feel you should.
Something to give you maybe a glimmer of hope....sometimes they sound worse, before they get better. The baytril could be breaking up all the goo that was stuck in his lungs and that could be why he sounds worse. BUT.....I am not a vet, I have not seen your roo in person, you have to go on what you feel right now.
If he had worms, more than likely some of your others do. Try and get some flubenvet and treat your whole flock.
I really hope everything works out for you and Rocky........my very first roo's name was Rocky, so I feel sort of attached to your situation right now. I will keep my fingers crossed for him and your family. |
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deanojul67
Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 342
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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just been down to the shed rocky is still with us, he still looks very ill hope he improves overnight
ps i haven't wormed him so hope it is a chest job, fingers crossed,
well he looked so weak |
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thewinkingtiger
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 936 Location: East Yorkshire, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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How is Rocky today? Are they any signs of improvement?
Keeping everything crossed for you! |
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deanojul67
Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 342
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject: ta |
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rocky is worse today he hasn't responded to ani biotics, have managed to get tel number of a poultry expert , well my wife did, and she says gape worm so I'm of to vets in a mo for some panicur
PS also some complan to syringe down his neck as he hasn't eaten for 3 day or drank he is like a bag of bones now |
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