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Woodburner
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| Kitsune wrote: | | Elly wrote: | | Foxes will kill as much as they can in one go then, given the chance, will keep returning to collect the rest of its kill. That is why so many are killed in one go and because the animals are found before hand or the fox is prevented from returning people believe they are just killers (Research has proved this). |
I have to disagree with you here I'm afraid - when my chickens were killed but not all taken by a fox I left the carcasses out for her to take - I couldn't use them and figured she may as well have them rather than my just throwing them away.
She never came back for them.
Also I'm wondering if it's possible to put a warning on the pests and predators section that upsetting pictures might be seen here, I think it's important for people to be able to show humane ways of dealing with predators. |
Doesn't have to be the chicken owner that prevents the return. RTA, poison, man with a gun, a trap, even the intervention of the rspca taking it to the country.
I wouldn't leave the bodies for the fox/badger to get later. IMHO that's nearly as bad as feeding them. |
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Kitsune
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
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Location: Manchester
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Yeah I see your point, I just didn't think about it at the time - I was pretty cut up about it mainly because it was my choice to leave the coop open overnight as I was away for 2 days and thought it was better that than leave them locked in the run for 2 days.
It's not something I'd do again. However I do know that the fox was still around as she was back a few nights later waking me up by scratching at the run. |
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DebbieP
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Foxes |
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There's no need to trap foxes, just get a fox repeller! We've got one next to our coop and haven't had any problems since. I got mine from the primrose london website - http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/fox-repeller-p-1251.html
It sends out an ultrasonic signal which I'm assuming the chooks can't hear as they are happy and laying as usual. Problem solved - couldn't believe it was so simple! |
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sussexboy
Joined: 05 Nov 2008
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Location: brighton, sussex
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| Elly wrote: | | Gilly C wrote: | | get real anyone with chicken should protect their birds ! |
Sorry, but we need to protect our wildlife and ecosystem as well.
If my birds get taken by a fox then I would be extremely upset. However, I would also understand that the 'predator' was just wanting food
Elly |
true the predators may want food, but the thing is when you see chickens that are killed by foxes, then you may notcie that very rarely does the fox eat the whole bird, it more often that not will jst take the head!
i say bring back hunting, i have seen so many more foxes in my area since the ban.
and hunting is a very humane way of controlling the population of foxes. |
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Mananzwa
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Location: Norfolk
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I came across this trial yesterday and thought it was interesting. I believe in EF and this bares out what I think.
http://electricfencing.blogspot.com/ |
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Woodburner
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Location: Deepest Essex, well, a village...
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| sussexboy wrote: | | Elly wrote: | | Gilly C wrote: | | get real anyone with chicken should protect their birds ! |
Sorry, but we need to protect our wildlife and ecosystem as well.
If my birds get taken by a fox then I would be extremely upset. However, I would also understand that the 'predator' was just wanting food
Elly |
true the predators may want food, but the thing is when you see chickens that are killed by foxes, then you may notcie that very rarely does the fox eat the whole bird, it more often that not will jst take the head!
i say bring back hunting, i have seen so many more foxes in my area since the ban.
and hunting is a very humane way of controlling the population of foxes. |
Foxes bite the heads off of the birds that they leave so that they will still be there when they get hungry again.
I've quite probably benefitted from the ban, inasmuch as there are fewer foxes now than before, when the farmers left them for the hunt. Now they just shoot them on sight. |
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Sylvia
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| 5 am this morning and my 2 dogs started giving their warning barks/growls with hackles up. I dashed outside with the big torch just in time to see a fox legging it. I have a couple of cockerels in the confine coop/run close to the house and think it may have been having a sniff around there. My 2 main coops have electrified fencing so hopefully that will keep it away from them. |
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Big D
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This is a very emotive subject so I will try (for once) to be sensitive.
I don't dislike any animal (ok I lied...death to all spiders) In fact I have been in wonder watching foxes in the past.
However all beings on my land or that I have bought are under my ward and protection. And I personally feel I have a duty to protect them to the best of my ability. This means that if any predator tries to take any of my animals I feel no guilt in eradicating or preventing that problem. (I don't take any pleasure in it either though)
I have kept rats and mice before as pets but feel no remorse what so ever in killing them when they become a nuisance or health risk in my garden.
Yes foxes nature is to kill but so is mine.......and yours...... and I will kill quite happily to protect.
I am truly sorry if that upsets certain people but I think of it as a fact of life. |
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G3LHQ
Joined: 02 Oct 2008
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Location: YORKSHIRE
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| Quote: | And some of us would prefer not to see pictures like this
Not smilin
Elly |
Hi Elly so why did you post it again ? Just had to get my 2 pence worth in to this interesting debate 
I personally liked the photo' of the fox in the cage
he looks beautiful a bit like my dog when he has been told off.
So I would like to see more pics like that please.(don't like gin traps)
As for the ultrasonic deterrent that someone uses I hope you don't have any
dogs or cats as it would drive them bonkers (very painful) .
How do I persuade the adult rats to enter my standard live trap, does it need to be baited??? or do I need a bigger trap of a different type ???
Cheers
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Chris Kurzfeld
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| Quote: | | Yes foxes nature is to kill but so is mine.......and yours...... and I will kill quite happily to protect |
Well put Big D, it's exactly what I have been trying to say - you have managed to put it so much better.
G3LHQ, we bait all our traps except the MK4 fen trap. |
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MamaPacker
Joined: 20 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Big D wrote: |
I am truly sorry if that upsets certain people but I think of it as a fact of life. |
You brute!!
lol
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